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Obeezy: "Wait, what's a 'civil attorney'?" (LINK)

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772430&fo...
rose aggressive range
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no one on this board, that's for sure
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plum hell dysfunction
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it’s funny that his consistent cluelessness has finall...
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plum hell dysfunction
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To be fair, "Sorry, I went to a top law school and w...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
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I was at a v10 tbf.
plum hell dysfunction
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To be fair, Whoa, now that's a unique and impressive acco...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
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Thanks! I do have a lot of really impressive accomplishments...
plum hell dysfunction
  09/11/25
To be fair, TY for continuing to bump this thread -- I'm ...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
  09/11/25
You’re being so sweet today! Maybe I was wrong about y...
plum hell dysfunction
  09/11/25
you know that we all fully aware you are a benzo-tier loser ...
maniacal maize mediation stage
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It’s an unfinished garage not a hovel. And I think I&r...
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exhilarant alpha
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It's also not true, obeezy went to a TTTT and worked in shit...
180 Pistol
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To be fair, Obeezy c. 2015: Short balding fag with a TTTT...
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hot menage twinkling uncleanness
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You’ve got me this time! Walls closing in!
plum hell dysfunction
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To be fair, Weird use of this meme considering that I'm l...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
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sure you are ;-)
plum hell dysfunction
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I forgot about the fuckin hockey goon schtick LMAO 180
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exhilarant alpha
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He was still 2015 obeezy until a few months ago when he trie...
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lol
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lol embarrassing
brilliant stage
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Lawyer here. I don't know what a civil attorney is. Neve...
Violent juggernaut
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Flame?
brilliant stage
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I asked ChatGPT and apparently it’s a phrase laymen us...
plum hell dysfunction
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lmao are you retarded
fragrant garnet theatre
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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:47 PM Author: MAGA Farm Animal...
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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:48 PM Author: i gave my cousin...
plum hell dysfunction
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To be fair, Date: September 11th, 2025 7:50 PM Author: M...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:51 PM Author: To be fair (Semi...
plum hell dysfunction
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To be fair, LMAO BEEZ
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Cruel-hearted Main People
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I've heard "civilian attorney" used to refer to no...
Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad
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Lib poasters have had these hilarious "slip ups" h...
Salmon University
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To be fair, Lmao Obeezy now literally trying to REVERSE B...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
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I mean, here’s Elon Musk’s AI weighing in. I lov...
plum hell dysfunction
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To be fair, Damn... if only we had a whole message bort f...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
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I asked Grok too! Like I said lawyers would say they&rsq...
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fragrant garnet theatre
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Holy shit
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Whenever he adds :-) to a post he is fuming mad IRL
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cr. also, whenever he doesn’t add :-) to a poast he is...
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😡
plum hell dysfunction
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:-)
motley bawdyhouse potus
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Perkins coie rainmaker here, literally never heard this term
bipolar sinister point prole
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To be fair, Gibson Dunn senior equity partner here, you'r...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
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is it civil as opposed to criminal? also why wouldnt u use s...
walnut persian
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Correct, it’s literally never used by lawyers.
plum hell dysfunction
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So to recap, saying "civil lawyer" is now stilted ...
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plum hell dysfunction
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180 , u are very slippery, he almost had u
Bossy abnormal trump supporter spot
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To be fair, Also this refutation was cosigned by a LITERA...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
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Please TBF, we just cant hang in the world of the beez &...
Bossy abnormal trump supporter spot
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Seems weird to say civil lawyer, but I guess I would underst...
motley bawdyhouse potus
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no one has ever used this term. its a completely esl foreign...
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TBF is trying to prove zhe's still at the top of zher game b...
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It’s adorable tbh. She cuts and runs from every thread...
plum hell dysfunction
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Are you even an attorney? Aren't you just a catty faggot? ...
fragrant garnet theatre
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lol the fuck you have. you may have heard of something like...
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Oh well if a notorious faggot on the internet says I'm lying...
fragrant garnet theatre
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lmao no one asking you that question would even know what th...
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wtf
zippy primrose locale pozpig
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a huge number of attorneys do not do “real estate clos...
maniacal maize mediation stage
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To be fair, (Unpreftigiouf stupid retard who doesn't spen...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
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i also post on xo
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To be fair, MFCR
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exhilarant alpha
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100% this I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading some of...
zippy primrose locale pozpig
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Bossy abnormal trump supporter spot
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Yeah must be some shit law thing.
plum hell dysfunction
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What shitlawyer sees a criminal case and thinks "sorry ...
Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad
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does Obeezy still live in a garage?
talented glassy trailer park
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Unfinished garage*
plum hell dysfunction
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Big W for obeezy
Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad
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I conducted an investigation into the tern "Civil attor...
Violent juggernaut
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I don't believe such people exist. Who's the shitlawyer who ...
Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad
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I'll partially cosign this and say that when I've heard it u...
fragrant garnet theatre
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Why would I ever interact with somebody with ZERO legal SCHO...
plum hell dysfunction
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You actually do have the exact personality of someone who I ...
zippy primrose locale pozpig
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To be fair, Lol 180
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plum hell dysfunction
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Honestly, lawyers won’t even hang out with me either. ...
plum hell dysfunction
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It's the same type of people who say "corporate lawyer&...
Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad
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Haha holy shit you’re right per ChatGPT The phrase...
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zippy primrose locale pozpig
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i can obviously figure out from context what a "civil a...
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It’s 10000% a shitlaw thing. Which again is fascinatin...
plum hell dysfunction
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I have three emails that contain the phrase "civil atto...
Yapping headpube gaming laptop
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Lmao I just googled it and it’s literally just local s...
plum hell dysfunction
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NSAM: A friend of mine uses the term "civil attorney&qu...
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plum hell dysfunction
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To be fair, Lol big win for you ITT where most other poas...
Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe
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“(Civil attorney)”
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plum hell dysfunction
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The only civil lawyers in the US are in Louisiana
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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:22 PM
Author: rose aggressive range

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772430&forum_id=2#49257441

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257584)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:23 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257591)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:24 PM
Author: Laughsome den rigor

no one on this board, that's for sure



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257594)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257629)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:48 PM
Author: fragrant garnet theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257712)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:13 PM
Author: zippy primrose locale pozpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260908)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:24 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257597)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: maniacal maize mediation stage

it’s funny that his consistent cluelessness has finally forced him to drop the charade of being a successful professional, so now he’s just going with a farcical “i’m independently wealthy, champ” shtick. what a winner, folks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257621)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257627)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:35 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

"Sorry, I went to a top law school and worked at a fancy biglaw firm for a decade before moving on to an amazing in-house legal job... I've simply never heard the term 'civil attorney' used by anyone before, I guess I'm just too prefitigiouf to have ever come across that sort of weird lingo, haha."

Wow good one, I'm sure that explanation will totally fly on a messagebort filled with T14 law grads who also ground out their obligatory 5-10 year stints at V100 firms before moving on to typically miserable in-house legal positions (as is the normal trajectory of an extremely mundane life of corporate law drudgery).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257660)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:37 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

I was at a v10 tbf.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257672)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:39 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

Whoa, now that's a unique and impressive accomplishment here on XO.

I hear that V10 gods use totally different slang from mere V50 mortals... maybe someday you can share some of it with us! ;)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257676)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

Thanks! I do have a lot of really impressive accomplishments to my name. You’re so sweet 🥰

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257684)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:42 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

TY for continuing to bump this thread -- I'm glad my that my damningly idiosyncractic use of weird and obscure "shitlaw" terms like "civil lawyer" is finally being exposed by a true V10 Chad. :)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257692)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:45 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

You’re being so sweet today! Maybe I was wrong about you after all 😘

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257701)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 8:27 PM
Author: maniacal maize mediation stage

you know that we all fully aware you are a benzo-tier loser megapoasting alone in some dirty hovel, right? your absurd insistence to the contrary is really the only thing that could make you come off as more of a ridiculous clown than you already are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257896)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 8:28 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

It’s an unfinished garage not a hovel. And I think I’ve done a lot with the space!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257900)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:02 PM
Author: exhilarant alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260858)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:20 PM
Author: 180 Pistol

It's also not true, obeezy went to a TTTT and worked in shitlaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258080)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:37 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

Obeezy c. 2015: Short balding fag with a TTTT pedigree who likes to complain about how much he hates working a miserable shitlaw job and struggling through a bout of serious depression following the suicide of his ugly Asian girlfriend.

Obeezy c. 2020: Extremely tall and handsome alpha stud who went to a prestigious college (where he was a hockey enforcer btw) before going to a top law school and becoming a biglawyer who then transitioned into an awesome and powerful high-paying corporate law job where he barely even has to work... which is perfect because it gives him plenty of time to spend with his beautiful wife and perfect kids.

Obeezy c. 2025: "Lol yeah I don't really 'work' anymore" because he's now worth $10+ million and is fully retired (travels for four months a year with his incredible loving family), scoffing at loser Trumpkin fags who still wagecuck as he relaxes and effortlessly pwns them for fun with a few keystrokes on his phone from a tropical beach somewhere.

Greatest 10 year redemption arc in internet history?

It all almost seems unbelievable... literally!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258135)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 11:17 PM
Author: hot menage twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258625)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

You’ve got me this time! Walls closing in!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259219)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

Weird use of this meme considering that I'm literally just reciting what all of us who have been poasting here remember.

"You don't remember what you think you remember, you fucking idiots" is a pretty interesting strategy to employ on a bort filled with high IQ lawyers who make their living by noticing details and remembering shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260728)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:38 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

sure you are ;-)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260990)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:55 PM
Author: Mustard Theater

I forgot about the fuckin hockey goon schtick LMAO 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260819)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:03 PM
Author: exhilarant alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260864)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:52 PM
Author: 180 Pistol

He was still 2015 obeezy until a few months ago when he tried to make up a new backstory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261063)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:57 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction



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Date: September 12th, 2025 4:13 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261148)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Bossy abnormal trump supporter spot

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257686)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:43 PM
Author: brilliant stage

lol embarrassing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257695)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:44 PM
Author: Violent juggernaut

Lawyer here.

I don't know what a civil attorney is. Never heard the term used.

I'm guessing any lawyer who's not a criminal lawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257696)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:44 PM
Author: brilliant stage

Flame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257697)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:47 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

I asked ChatGPT and apparently it’s a phrase laymen use. Lawyers certainly don’t.

Which suggests TBF is neither Claire nor zappin. Fascinating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257705)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:47 PM
Author: fragrant garnet theatre

lmao are you retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257708)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:48 PM
Author: Salmon University

Date: September 11th, 2025 7:47 PM

Author: MAGA Farm Animals Reeking of Trump Cologne

I asked ChatGPT and apparently it’s a phrase laymen use. Lawyers certainly don’t.

Which suggests TBF is neither Claire nor zappin. Fascinating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257705)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257715)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:50 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

Date: September 11th, 2025 7:48 PM

Author: i gave my cousin head

Date: September 11th, 2025 7:47 PM

Author: MAGA Farm Animals Reeking of Trump Cologne

I asked ChatGPT and apparently it’s a phrase laymen use. Lawyers certainly don’t.

Which suggests TBF is neither Claire nor zappin. Fascinating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257705)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257715)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257729)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:51 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

Date: September 11th, 2025 7:50 PM

Author: MAGA Farm Animals Reeking of Trump Cologne

Date: September 11th, 2025 7:48 PM

Author: i gave my cousin head

Date: September 11th, 2025 7:47 PM

Author: MAGA Farm Animals Reeking of Trump Cologne

I asked ChatGPT and apparently it’s a phrase laymen use. Lawyers certainly don’t.

Which suggests TBF is neither Claire nor zappin. Fascinating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257705)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257715)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257729)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257733)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:52 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

Date: September 11th, 2025 7:51 PM

Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)

To be fair,

Date: September 11th, 2025 7:50 PM

Author: MAGA Farm Animals Reeking of Trump Cologne

Date: September 11th, 2025 7:48 PM

Author: i gave my cousin head

Date: September 11th, 2025 7:47 PM

Author: MAGA Farm Animals Reeking of Trump Cologne

I asked ChatGPT and apparently it’s a phrase laymen use. Lawyers certainly don’t.

Which suggests TBF is neither Claire nor zappin. Fascinating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257705)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257715)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257729)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257733)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257736)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:49 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

LMAO BEEZ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257727)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 9:36 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted Main People



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:42 PM
Author: Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad

I've heard "civilian attorney" used to refer to non-JAGs who work for DOD. Never heard "civil attorney" though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260751)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:47 PM
Author: Salmon University

Lib poasters have had these hilarious "slip ups" hundreds of times in bort history. Remember when they would retire in shame for a week or two back in the day then pop right back up like nothing ever happened. Weird how they just stopped that all of the sudden in the past few years. We would even compile megathreads w links to them all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257706)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:49 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

Lmao Obeezy now literally trying to REVERSE BIG WILLIE this and invoke CHATGPT to "prove" that ackkkkkkshually I'M the non-lawyer here "because real lawyers never use this term."

This is quickly becoming an excellent example of why it's impossible to reason with shitlibs, and instead they must simply be dealt with directly and forcefully in other ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257725)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:51 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

I mean, here’s Elon Musk’s AI weighing in. I love how this is such a “gotcha” moment for you. Adorable.

Like I said maybe it’s a shitlaw thing? Lawyers don’t use it.

Prompt: I’m a lawyer and I’ve never heard the phrase “civil attorney” before.

Grok: The term "civil attorney" isn't a standard or widely used phrase in legal circles, which might explain why you haven't come across it. It seems to be a colloquial or informal way some people refer to lawyers who handle civil law matters—cases involving private disputes between individuals or entities, like contracts, property, or torts, as opposed to criminal law. Think of it as a layperson's shorthand for a lawyer who deals with lawsuits, disputes, or transactions outside the criminal justice system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257734)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:52 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

Damn... if only we had a whole message bort filled with actual practicing attorneys who could weigh in on this issue decisively and authoritatively based on their own professional experience spent working in the law.

Oh well -- instead I guess we'll just have to "ask ChatGPT"!

Actual lol over here, you're on a roll today Beez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257739)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:54 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

I asked Grok too!

Like I said lawyers would say they’re in litigation, M&A, PE, EB, L&E, white collar, etc. they’d never say they’re a “civil attorney.”

Savor your huge W though. You finally got me ;-) ;-)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257746)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:47 PM
Author: fragrant garnet theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257711)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:54 PM
Author: Jet-lagged toilet seat house

Holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49257747)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:04 PM
Author: Fighting Chartreuse Place Of Business

Whenever he adds :-) to a post he is fuming mad IRL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258021)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:11 PM
Author: onyx school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258048)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:17 PM
Author: Salmon University



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258067)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:33 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258120)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: maniacal maize mediation stage

cr. also, whenever he doesn’t add :-) to a poast he is fuming mad irl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258438)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 11:12 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258598)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:21 AM
Author: Fighting Chartreuse Place Of Business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258898)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 8:36 AM
Author: floppy hyperactive orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259202)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 4:23 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Dingle Berry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261176)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 11:16 PM
Author: hot menage twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258617)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 8:41 AM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

😡

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259217)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 6:34 PM
Author: motley bawdyhouse potus

:-)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261503)



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Date: September 11th, 2025 11:14 PM
Author: bipolar sinister point prole

Perkins coie rainmaker here, literally never heard this term

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258607)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

Gibson Dunn senior equity partner here, you're retarded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258726)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: walnut persian

is it civil as opposed to criminal? also why wouldnt u use standardized term like lit or tranny. hes right to question why someone would use unstandard term

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49258900)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

Correct, it’s literally never used by lawyers.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259220)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Bossy abnormal trump supporter spot

So to recap, saying "civil lawyer" is now stilted speech because beez is a V10 baller who just calls people tranny, lit etc

180 obeezy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259011)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: plum hell dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259221)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 9:33 AM
Author: Bossy abnormal trump supporter spot

180 , u are very slippery, he almost had u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259352)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

Also this refutation was cosigned by a LITERAL Perkins Coie rainmaker partner who just happens to poast here (never really heard of him before and I've only ever seen him occasionally up in politith thread to call cons "retards" or whatever, but surely that's because he's just so busy and important IRL).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260732)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Bossy abnormal trump supporter spot

Please TBF, we just cant hang in the world of the beez & his self satisfied V10 baller NOMENKLATURA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260791)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: motley bawdyhouse potus

Seems weird to say civil lawyer, but I guess I would understand what imprecise meaning is intended.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261530)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 8:25 AM
Author: Alcoholic base

no one has ever used this term. its a completely esl foreigner concept like the distinction between public and private law.

Sorry bro cannot help you with that DUI, I am a civil attorney

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259178)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 8:37 AM
Author: olive razzle-dazzle people who are hurt plaza

TBF is trying to prove zhe's still at the top of zher game by getting into countless subthread wastelands with... obeezy. We used to craft scholarship here!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259210)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

It’s adorable tbh. She cuts and runs from every thread in which she gets gaped but is ALL IN on here. To the death! Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259226)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:39 PM
Author: fragrant garnet theatre

Are you even an attorney? Aren't you just a catty faggot?

I've been a corporate attorney in a major metro area for 15 years and I have absolutely heard this term used before.

Are you people flaming?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260740)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Alcoholic base

lol the fuck you have.

you may have heard of something like "civil litigation trial attorney" but no one says civil attorney it is completely esl and foreign. are you telling me that people in your circle introduce themselves and say I practice civil law? who tf would say this. theyd say trust and estates or family

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260786)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: fragrant garnet theatre

Oh well if a notorious faggot on the internet says I'm lying about my own experience, I guess I must be lying then.

> "Hey man, long time no talk... reaching out because my cousin just got busted for [X], would you be able and interested in representing him potentially?"

> "Hey bro good to hear from you, naw sorry I'm a civil attorney / I practice civil law, I don't do criminal stuff."

> "Damn, OK well do you have someone you know that you could refer?"

Etc.

Again, are you people flaming with this "I've never heard the term 'civil law' or 'civil lawyer'" stuff? You think lawyers in that context say things like "Sorry man, I'm a soft IP lawyer" or "Sorry bro my practice focuses on mergers and acquisitions"? This must be flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260814)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Alcoholic base

lmao no one asking you that question would even know what that answer meant. you would say "no i dont do criminal law i do real estate closures" no one would say "i'm a civil attorney" but then again your major metro area is probably mumbai

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260847)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:12 PM
Author: zippy primrose locale pozpig

wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260904)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:56 PM
Author: maniacal maize mediation stage

a huge number of attorneys do not do “real estate closures” (or pi or family law or erisa compliance, for that matter). they do real estate closures AND pi AND family law AND probate AND business formation etc., etc. for attorneys such as those whose practices do not include criminal law (which is not unusual), “civil law” is a perfectly valid and typical descriptor that would be used in common parlance.

it may well be that obeezy lives his life in such rarefied company that the existence of this phenomenon would come as a surprise to him (lmao), but that still doesn’t say much for his actual understanding of the world as it exists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261087)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 4:15 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

(Unpreftigiouf stupid retard who doesn't spend his life exclusively talking to V10 lawyers and staunchly refusing to countenance anyone else in any context)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261156)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 4:21 PM
Author: Alcoholic base

i also post on xo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261170)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 6:46 PM
Author: motley bawdyhouse potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261535)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

MFCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260849)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:07 PM
Author: exhilarant alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260876)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:12 PM
Author: zippy primrose locale pozpig

100% this I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading some of the responses ITT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260900)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:13 PM
Author: Bossy abnormal trump supporter spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260905)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:37 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

Yeah must be some shit law thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260985)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:38 PM
Author: Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad

What shitlawyer sees a criminal case and thinks "sorry I don't have the brainpower for that?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260992)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 8:26 AM
Author: talented glassy trailer park

does Obeezy still live in a garage?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259181)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

Unfinished garage*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49259223)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad

Big W for obeezy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260764)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Violent juggernaut

I conducted an investigation into the tern "Civil attorney" and reached the following conclusion as to its meaning:

It is a term used by shitlawyers who will basically handle any non-criminal matter that comes across their desk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260808)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad

I don't believe such people exist. Who's the shitlawyer who won't help a client with a DUI?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260816)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:56 PM
Author: fragrant garnet theatre

I'll partially cosign this and say that when I've heard it used, it's almost always lawyer to non-lawyer. I can't think of a time when I heard a lawyer introduce themselves to another lawyer as "a civil attorney" because in that case you would just state your practice area.

But LJL at the people in this thread acting like they've never heard the term "civil attorney" or "civil law" used before in any context. Do these people just literally never interact with non-lawyers and every single person they ever speak to in their lives is another lawyer? If so what a miserable existence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260832)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:45 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

Why would I ever interact with somebody with ZERO legal SCHOLARLY TREATS to share with me?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261035)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:47 PM
Author: zippy primrose locale pozpig

You actually do have the exact personality of someone who I would expect goes out of their way to exclusively hang out only with lawyers, so this checks out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261041)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:49 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

Lol 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261051)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:50 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261057)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:50 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

Honestly, lawyers won’t even hang out with me either. Who would want to come to my garage? Sad!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261055)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 6:46 PM
Author: Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad

It's the same type of people who say "corporate lawyer"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261536)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:42 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

Haha holy shit you’re right per ChatGPT

The phrase “civil attorney” isn’t standard lawyer-to-lawyer terminology in the U.S.

• Big firm lawyers almost never use it. They’ll describe themselves (and colleagues) by practice group or specialty: litigator, M&A lawyer, antitrust partner, securities litigator, restructuring associate, etc. If someone said “I’m a civil attorney” at a large firm, it would sound imprecise and unsophisticated.

• Small general-practice lawyers (sometimes derisively called “shitlaw” when they handle a grab-bag of divorces, PI cases, landlord-tenant, wills, contracts, etc.) are more likely to use “civil attorney” as shorthand. It distinguishes them from “criminal defense attorney” in language that non-lawyers understand. For marketing to clients who don’t know legal categories, “civil attorney” can be clearer.

So: it’s mostly a layman-facing phrase, used more in small firm / generalist settings than in biglaw.

Want me to pull some real-world examples (like attorney websites) so you can see how it shows up in practice?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261016)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:55 PM
Author: Bossy abnormal trump supporter spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260821)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:12 PM
Author: zippy primrose locale pozpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49260901)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:48 PM
Author: Yapping headpube gaming laptop

i can obviously figure out from context what a "civil attorney" might be, but i can't recall coming across the term being used and i'm a biglaw lifer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261047)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:57 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

It’s 10000% a shitlaw thing. Which again is fascinating and strongly suggests TBF is in fact not CC or AZ, contrary to popular opinion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261093)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 3:59 PM
Author: Yapping headpube gaming laptop

I have three emails that contain the phrase "civil attorney" and they're all junk emails

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261099)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 4:00 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

Lmao I just googled it and it’s literally just local shitlawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261104)



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Date: September 12th, 2025 6:51 PM
Author: Iridescent razzmatazz dilemma police squad

NSAM: A friend of mine uses the term "civil attorney" a lot. What does this mean?

Solicitor General: Okay, let's break down what "civil attorney" means. It can be a little confusing because it overlaps with other legal terms. Here's a comprehensive explanation:

**1. The Core Meaning: Dealing with Civil Law**

* **Civil Law vs. Criminal Law:** The most important distinction is understanding the difference between civil and criminal law.

* **Criminal Law:** Deals with offenses against society (e.g., theft, assault, murder). The government prosecutes these cases.

* **Civil Law:** Deals with disputes *between individuals or organizations*. This can involve contracts, property rights, personal injury claims, family matters, and much more.

* **A "Civil Attorney" is a lawyer who primarily handles civil law cases.** They don't prosecute criminals; they represent clients in non-criminal legal matters.

**2. What Types of Cases Do Civil Attorneys Handle?**

Here are some common areas where you'd find civil attorneys:

* **Personal Injury:** Car accidents, slip and falls, medical malpractice, product liability.

* **Contract Disputes:** Breach of contract cases between businesses or individuals.

* **Property Law:** Disputes over real estate, boundaries, easements, landlord-tenant issues.

* **Family Law:** Divorce, child custody, support/alimony, adoption (though some family law attorneys specialize *only* in this area).

* **Business Law:** Formation of businesses, contracts, commercial litigation, intellectual property.

* **Employment Law:** Wrongful termination, discrimination, wage disputes (can be either representing employees or employers).

* **Estate Planning/Probate:** Wills, trusts, estates, probate proceedings (though these can also be handled by attorneys who specialize solely in estate law).

* **Bankruptcy:** Representing debtors or creditors.

**3. Is it Different from "Litigation Attorney"?**

* **Overlap:** There's a significant overlap! Many civil attorneys are *also* litigation attorneys.

* **Litigation Attorney:** This term specifically refers to an attorney who spends a lot of their time in court, actively engaged in lawsuits (litigating). A civil attorney might litigate cases, but not all do. Some may focus on negotiation or mediation instead.

**4. "Civil Attorney" vs. Other Legal Titles - Clarification:**

* **General Practice Attorney:** A lawyer who handles a wide variety of legal matters, both civil and sometimes even some criminal (though less common).

* **Specialist/Niche Attorney:** An attorney who focuses on a very specific area of law *within* the realm of civil law (e.g., a "medical malpractice attorney," a "contract law specialist," an "intellectual property lawyer").

**In short, when your friend says "civil attorney," they're referring to a lawyer whose practice is focused on resolving legal disputes that aren't criminal in nature.**

To help me give you even more specific information, could you tell me:

* What context does your friend use the term? (e.g., are they talking about their own work, or someone else?)

* Do they ever specify *what kind* of civil cases they're referring to?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49261546)



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Date: September 13th, 2025 11:34 AM
Author: plum hell dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49263438)



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Date: September 13th, 2025 2:47 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49264193)



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Date: September 13th, 2025 2:51 PM
Author: Bateful Indian Lodge Sweet Tailpipe

To be fair,

Lol big win for you ITT where most other poasters confirm that they have indeed heard this term thrown around before?

Lol Beez, please continue to furiously bump this thread all weekend bud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49264202)



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Date: September 13th, 2025 3:06 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction

“(Civil attorney)”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49264251)



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Date: September 14th, 2025 3:17 PM
Author: plum hell dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49267847)



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Date: September 14th, 2025 3:23 PM
Author: green adventurous love of her life

The only civil lawyers in the US are in Louisiana

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772797&forum_id=2#49267863)