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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
cowardly heady den alpha
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Cerebral underhanded kitty cat
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
Cobalt Blathering Station Organic Girlfriend
  12/18/25
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histrionic mahogany university
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
apoplectic area
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
apoplectic area
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
pungent passionate heaven
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
swashbuckling boistinker
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
apoplectic area
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
Floppy Lime Regret Quadroon
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Bat-shit-crazy Curious Mother Brunch
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Seedy infuriating nursing home legend
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
cowardly heady den alpha
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Seedy infuriating nursing home legend
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
cowardly heady den alpha
  12/18/25
180
Seedy infuriating nursing home legend
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Comical Casino
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
pea-brained trip dingle berry marketing idea
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
Comical Casino
  12/18/25
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pea-brained trip dingle berry marketing idea
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
Floppy Lime Regret Quadroon
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
Disgusting cerise site dragon
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
cowardly heady den alpha
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
chrome gay wizard
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
cowardly heady den alpha
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Vivacious Abnormal Doctorate
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
violet stag film elastic band
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Free-loading Provocative Garrison Sneaky Criminal
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Comical Casino
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
stimulating public bath
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
green background story
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
internet-worthy turdskin depressive
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
green background story
  12/18/25
lol
internet-worthy turdskin depressive
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
supple drab potus hunting ground
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
pea-brained trip dingle berry marketing idea
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
green background story
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Racy Black Woman Bawdyhouse
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
swashbuckling boistinker
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Racy Black Woman Bawdyhouse
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
swashbuckling boistinker
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Racy Black Woman Bawdyhouse
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
swashbuckling boistinker
  12/21/25
cr
pea-brained trip dingle berry marketing idea
  12/18/25
Anabasis
Dashing striped hyena
  12/18/25
...
internet-worthy turdskin depressive
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
aqua concupiscible faggotry
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
internet-worthy turdskin depressive
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
mind-boggling gaped pisswyrm range
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Abusive umber degenerate theater
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
pink police squad
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
internet-worthy turdskin depressive
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
cowardly heady den alpha
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
pea-brained trip dingle berry marketing idea
  12/18/25
...
green background story
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
Disgusting cerise site dragon
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
green background story
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
Titillating becky
  12/18/25
...
Disgusting cerise site dragon
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
supple drab potus hunting ground
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
Ivory 180 pervert hell
  12/18/25
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spectacular native nowag
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
vigorous church building
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
apoplectic area
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
Dashing striped hyena
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
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  12/19/25
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  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: cowardly heady den alpha

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Cerebral underhanded kitty cat

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Cobalt Blathering Station Organic Girlfriend

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: histrionic mahogany university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: apoplectic area

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: apoplectic area

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: pungent passionate heaven

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: swashbuckling boistinker

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: apoplectic area

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: Floppy Lime Regret Quadroon

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Curious Mother Brunch

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Seedy infuriating nursing home legend

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: cowardly heady den alpha

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Seedy infuriating nursing home legend

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: cowardly heady den alpha

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Seedy infuriating nursing home legend

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Comical Casino

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: pea-brained trip dingle berry marketing idea

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Comical Casino

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: pea-brained trip dingle berry marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Floppy Lime Regret Quadroon

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Disgusting cerise site dragon

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: cowardly heady den alpha

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: chrome gay wizard

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: cowardly heady den alpha

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Vivacious Abnormal Doctorate

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: violet stag film elastic band

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Free-loading Provocative Garrison Sneaky Criminal

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Comical Casino

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: stimulating public bath

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: green background story

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: internet-worthy turdskin depressive

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: green background story

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: internet-worthy turdskin depressive

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: supple drab potus hunting ground

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: pea-brained trip dingle berry marketing idea

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: green background story

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Racy Black Woman Bawdyhouse

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: swashbuckling boistinker

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Racy Black Woman Bawdyhouse

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: swashbuckling boistinker

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Racy Black Woman Bawdyhouse

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: swashbuckling boistinker

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: pea-brained trip dingle berry marketing idea

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: Dashing striped hyena

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: internet-worthy turdskin depressive



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: aqua concupiscible faggotry

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: internet-worthy turdskin depressive

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: mind-boggling gaped pisswyrm range

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Abusive umber degenerate theater

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: pink police squad

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: internet-worthy turdskin depressive

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: cowardly heady den alpha

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: pea-brained trip dingle berry marketing idea

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: green background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Disgusting cerise site dragon

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: green background story

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Titillating becky

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: Disgusting cerise site dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: supple drab potus hunting ground

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Ivory 180 pervert hell

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: spectacular native nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: vigorous church building

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: apoplectic area

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: Dashing striped hyena

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