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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
claret concupiscible public bath
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
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orchid factory reset button
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this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
orchid factory reset button
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
charcoal spectacular tank
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Pearly aromatic fat ankles
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
orchid factory reset button
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
jet out-of-control stock car
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
boyish point sound barrier
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
pink hairraiser becky
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
claret concupiscible public bath
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
pink hairraiser becky
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
claret concupiscible public bath
  12/18/25
180
pink hairraiser becky
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Marvelous Sex Offender Parlour
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
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  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
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Irradiated magenta bawdyhouse toilet seat
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weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
jet out-of-control stock car
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
Odious athletic conference area
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
claret concupiscible public bath
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
fragrant blathering new version
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
claret concupiscible public bath
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Sticky meetinghouse roast beef
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
Motley state
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
yapping ape
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Marvelous Sex Offender Parlour
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
white site wrinkle
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
trip gaping shitlib
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
Well-lubricated supple parlor
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
trip gaping shitlib
  12/18/25
lol
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he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
Yellow fluffy kitty
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Irradiated magenta bawdyhouse toilet seat
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
trip gaping shitlib
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Startled awkward volcanic crater sneaky criminal
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Pearly aromatic fat ankles
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Startled awkward volcanic crater sneaky criminal
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Pearly aromatic fat ankles
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Startled awkward volcanic crater sneaky criminal
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Pearly aromatic fat ankles
  12/21/25
cr
Irradiated magenta bawdyhouse toilet seat
  12/18/25
Anabasis
Curious Chad
  12/18/25
...
Well-lubricated supple parlor
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
crawly iridescent ceo address
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
Well-lubricated supple parlor
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
flirting hospital
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
bat shit crazy skinny woman
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Effete bossy personal credit line
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
Well-lubricated supple parlor
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
claret concupiscible public bath
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Irradiated magenta bawdyhouse toilet seat
  12/18/25
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trip gaping shitlib
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
Odious athletic conference area
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
trip gaping shitlib
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
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  12/18/25
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Odious athletic conference area
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
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  12/22/25
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orchid factory reset button
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
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  12/19/25
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: claret concupiscible public bath

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Shimmering Theater Gay Wizard

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: copper home

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: puce electric stage cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: orchid factory reset button

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: orchid factory reset button

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: charcoal spectacular tank

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Pearly aromatic fat ankles

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: orchid factory reset button

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: jet out-of-control stock car

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: boyish point sound barrier

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: pink hairraiser becky

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: claret concupiscible public bath

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: pink hairraiser becky

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: claret concupiscible public bath

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: pink hairraiser becky

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Marvelous Sex Offender Parlour

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Irradiated magenta bawdyhouse toilet seat

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Marvelous Sex Offender Parlour

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Irradiated magenta bawdyhouse toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: jet out-of-control stock car

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Odious athletic conference area

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: claret concupiscible public bath

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: fragrant blathering new version

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: claret concupiscible public bath

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Sticky meetinghouse roast beef

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Motley state

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: yapping ape

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Marvelous Sex Offender Parlour

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: white site wrinkle

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: trip gaping shitlib

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Well-lubricated supple parlor

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: trip gaping shitlib

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Well-lubricated supple parlor

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Yellow fluffy kitty

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Irradiated magenta bawdyhouse toilet seat

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: trip gaping shitlib

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Startled awkward volcanic crater sneaky criminal

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Pearly aromatic fat ankles

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Startled awkward volcanic crater sneaky criminal

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Pearly aromatic fat ankles

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Startled awkward volcanic crater sneaky criminal

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Pearly aromatic fat ankles

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Irradiated magenta bawdyhouse toilet seat

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: Curious Chad

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Well-lubricated supple parlor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: crawly iridescent ceo address

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Well-lubricated supple parlor

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: flirting hospital

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: bat shit crazy skinny woman

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Effete bossy personal credit line

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Well-lubricated supple parlor

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: claret concupiscible public bath

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Irradiated magenta bawdyhouse toilet seat

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: trip gaping shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Odious athletic conference area

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: trip gaping shitlib

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: garnet people who are hurt

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: Odious athletic conference area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Yellow fluffy kitty

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Flatulent aphrodisiac hell

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: thriller toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: titillating painfully honest mexican theatre

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: orchid factory reset button

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: Curious Chad

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: Ultramarine Step-uncle's House

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Date: December 26th, 2025 12:37 AM
Author: self-centered church elastic band

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