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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
garnet curious kitty cat area
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Insane lake skinny woman community account
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
fragrant mauve orchestra pit dysfunction
  12/18/25
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Exhilarant trailer park
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
diverse volcanic crater plaza
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
diverse volcanic crater plaza
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Hairraiser Spruce Ladyboy
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Useless newt
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
diverse volcanic crater plaza
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
beta really tough guy
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
arousing round eye cumskin
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
confused buff marketing idea
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
garnet curious kitty cat area
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
confused buff marketing idea
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
garnet curious kitty cat area
  12/18/25
180
confused buff marketing idea
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Plum aggressive rigor
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Frisky point macaca
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
Plum aggressive rigor
  12/18/25
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Frisky point macaca
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
beta really tough guy
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
Territorial Cerebral Juggernaut Affirmative Action
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
garnet curious kitty cat area
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
razzle-dazzle rusted bbw
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
garnet curious kitty cat area
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Maniacal clear dog poop
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
pearl unhinged giraffe ticket booth
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Seedy Stock Car
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Plum aggressive rigor
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Charismatic Doctorate
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
aromatic new version codepig
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
copper principal's office
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
aromatic new version codepig
  12/18/25
lol
copper principal's office
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
Mildly Autistic Flatulent Space Halford
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Frisky point macaca
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
aromatic new version codepig
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
trip business firm
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Useless newt
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
trip business firm
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Useless newt
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
trip business firm
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Useless newt
  12/21/25
cr
Frisky point macaca
  12/18/25
Anabasis
contagious school cafeteria
  12/18/25
...
copper principal's office
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
flickering mind-boggling ceo
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
copper principal's office
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
concupiscible turquoise toilet seat
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
misanthropic talented deer antler
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Aquamarine insanely creepy scourge upon the earth mad-dog skullcap
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
copper principal's office
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
garnet curious kitty cat area
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Frisky point macaca
  12/18/25
...
aromatic new version codepig
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
Territorial Cerebral Juggernaut Affirmative Action
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
aromatic new version codepig
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
Beady-eyed self-centered chad pocket flask
  12/18/25
...
Territorial Cerebral Juggernaut Affirmative Action
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
Mildly Autistic Flatulent Space Halford
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
maize sanctuary corn cake
  12/18/25
...
Bistre misunderstood lodge
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Exciting dilemma
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
diverse volcanic crater plaza
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
contagious school cafeteria
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
medicated multi-billionaire crackhouse
  12/19/25
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: garnet curious kitty cat area

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Insane lake skinny woman community account

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: fragrant mauve orchestra pit dysfunction

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Exhilarant trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: diverse volcanic crater plaza

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: diverse volcanic crater plaza

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Hairraiser Spruce Ladyboy

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Useless newt

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: diverse volcanic crater plaza

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: beta really tough guy

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: arousing round eye cumskin

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: confused buff marketing idea

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: garnet curious kitty cat area

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: confused buff marketing idea

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: garnet curious kitty cat area

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: confused buff marketing idea

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Plum aggressive rigor

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Frisky point macaca

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Plum aggressive rigor

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Frisky point macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: beta really tough guy

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Territorial Cerebral Juggernaut Affirmative Action

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: garnet curious kitty cat area

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle rusted bbw

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: garnet curious kitty cat area

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Maniacal clear dog poop

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: pearl unhinged giraffe ticket booth

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Seedy Stock Car

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Plum aggressive rigor

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Charismatic Doctorate

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: aromatic new version codepig

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: copper principal's office

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: aromatic new version codepig

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: copper principal's office

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Flatulent Space Halford

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Frisky point macaca

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: aromatic new version codepig

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: trip business firm

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Useless newt

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: trip business firm

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Useless newt

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: trip business firm

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Useless newt

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Frisky point macaca

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: contagious school cafeteria

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: copper principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: flickering mind-boggling ceo

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: copper principal's office

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: concupiscible turquoise toilet seat

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: misanthropic talented deer antler

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Aquamarine insanely creepy scourge upon the earth mad-dog skullcap

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: copper principal's office

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: garnet curious kitty cat area

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Frisky point macaca

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: aromatic new version codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Territorial Cerebral Juggernaut Affirmative Action

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: aromatic new version codepig

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Beady-eyed self-centered chad pocket flask

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: Territorial Cerebral Juggernaut Affirmative Action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Mildly Autistic Flatulent Space Halford

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: maize sanctuary corn cake

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Bistre misunderstood lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Exciting dilemma

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: diverse volcanic crater plaza

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: contagious school cafeteria

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

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