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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
blue bull headed newt
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
honey-headed rehab
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
Disgusting chapel background story
  12/18/25
...
multi-colored friendly grandma house
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Odious pearly hominid address
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Odious pearly hominid address
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Swashbuckling vermilion digit ratio stock car
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Mildly autistic circlehead theater stage
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Odious pearly hominid address
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
sticky gaping brunch
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Sooty Institution Death Wish
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Hairraiser Cordovan Forum
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
blue bull headed newt
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Hairraiser Cordovan Forum
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
blue bull headed newt
  12/18/25
180
Hairraiser Cordovan Forum
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Primrose Territorial Public Bath Dysfunction
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
copper site giraffe
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
Primrose Territorial Public Bath Dysfunction
  12/18/25
...
copper site giraffe
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
sticky gaping brunch
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
shimmering rough-skinned jew
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
blue bull headed newt
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
exciting fantasy-prone school cafeteria
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
blue bull headed newt
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Concupiscible talking home doctorate
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
Cracking irate legend partner
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
translucent exhilarant bawdyhouse becky
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Primrose Territorial Public Bath Dysfunction
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
grizzly boltzmann nursing home
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
startling main people spot
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
provocative internet-worthy corner filthpig
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
startling main people spot
  12/18/25
lol
provocative internet-worthy corner filthpig
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
Flushed stirring telephone
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
copper site giraffe
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
startling main people spot
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Slippery national security agency heaven
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Mildly autistic circlehead theater stage
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Slippery national security agency heaven
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Mildly autistic circlehead theater stage
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Slippery national security agency heaven
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Mildly autistic circlehead theater stage
  12/21/25
cr
copper site giraffe
  12/18/25
Anabasis
carnelian sex offender trust fund
  12/18/25
...
provocative internet-worthy corner filthpig
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
Tripping marvelous range
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
provocative internet-worthy corner filthpig
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
electric dark toaster
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Ebony dingle berry meetinghouse
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
floppy lay
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
provocative internet-worthy corner filthpig
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
blue bull headed newt
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
copper site giraffe
  12/18/25
...
startling main people spot
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
shimmering rough-skinned jew
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
startling main people spot
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
bespoke haunted graveyard mad-dog skullcap
  12/18/25
...
shimmering rough-skinned jew
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
Flushed stirring telephone
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
laughsome sanctuary
  12/18/25
...
tantric onyx ape
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Purple electric furnace
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Odious pearly hominid address
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
carnelian sex offender trust fund
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
cowardly orange theatre
  12/19/25
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indigo senate
  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: blue bull headed newt

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: honey-headed rehab

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Disgusting chapel background story

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: multi-colored friendly grandma house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Odious pearly hominid address

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Odious pearly hominid address

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Swashbuckling vermilion digit ratio stock car

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Mildly autistic circlehead theater stage

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Odious pearly hominid address

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: sticky gaping brunch

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Sooty Institution Death Wish

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Hairraiser Cordovan Forum

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: blue bull headed newt

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Hairraiser Cordovan Forum

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: blue bull headed newt

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Hairraiser Cordovan Forum

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Primrose Territorial Public Bath Dysfunction

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: copper site giraffe

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Primrose Territorial Public Bath Dysfunction

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: copper site giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: sticky gaping brunch

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: shimmering rough-skinned jew

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: blue bull headed newt

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: exciting fantasy-prone school cafeteria

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: blue bull headed newt

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Concupiscible talking home doctorate

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Cracking irate legend partner

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: translucent exhilarant bawdyhouse becky

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Primrose Territorial Public Bath Dysfunction

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: grizzly boltzmann nursing home

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: startling main people spot

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: provocative internet-worthy corner filthpig

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: startling main people spot

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: provocative internet-worthy corner filthpig

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Flushed stirring telephone

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: copper site giraffe

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: startling main people spot

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Slippery national security agency heaven

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Mildly autistic circlehead theater stage

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Slippery national security agency heaven

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Mildly autistic circlehead theater stage

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Slippery national security agency heaven

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Mildly autistic circlehead theater stage

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: copper site giraffe

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: carnelian sex offender trust fund

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: provocative internet-worthy corner filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Tripping marvelous range

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: provocative internet-worthy corner filthpig

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: electric dark toaster

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Ebony dingle berry meetinghouse

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: floppy lay

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: provocative internet-worthy corner filthpig

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: blue bull headed newt

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: copper site giraffe

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: startling main people spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: shimmering rough-skinned jew

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: startling main people spot

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: bespoke haunted graveyard mad-dog skullcap

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: shimmering rough-skinned jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Flushed stirring telephone

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: laughsome sanctuary

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: tantric onyx ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Purple electric furnace

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Odious pearly hominid address

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: carnelian sex offender trust fund

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
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