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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Histrionic disgusting skinny woman
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
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"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Blue cruel-hearted sweet tailpipe
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Blue cruel-hearted sweet tailpipe
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
pearl bbw parlour
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
maniacal crystalline hell
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Blue cruel-hearted sweet tailpipe
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
sapphire overrated sandwich
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Dead Violet Public Bath Scourge Upon The Earth
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
flatulent crusty house
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
flatulent crusty house
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part
  12/18/25
180
flatulent crusty house
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Topaz cruise ship double fault
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Confused french chef potus
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
Topaz cruise ship double fault
  12/18/25
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Confused french chef potus
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
sapphire overrated sandwich
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
Erotic pink principal's office legal warrant
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
french digit ratio property
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
cracking infuriating address
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
mauve odious locale
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Aquamarine Razzmatazz Boistinker
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Topaz cruise ship double fault
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
cerebral coiffed senate coffee pot
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
plum vibrant blood rage
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
ruddy field
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
plum vibrant blood rage
  12/18/25
lol
ruddy field
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
Narrow-minded Striped Hyena
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Confused french chef potus
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
plum vibrant blood rage
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Flirting ratface
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
maniacal crystalline hell
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Flirting ratface
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
maniacal crystalline hell
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Flirting ratface
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
maniacal crystalline hell
  12/21/25
cr
Confused french chef potus
  12/18/25
Anabasis
brindle razzle jewess
  12/18/25
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ruddy field
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
jet 180 persian office
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
ruddy field
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Fragrant yapping abode
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
hideous deer antler really tough guy
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
abnormal national faggotry
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
ruddy field
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Confused french chef potus
  12/18/25
...
plum vibrant blood rage
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
Erotic pink principal's office legal warrant
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
plum vibrant blood rage
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
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Erotic pink principal's office legal warrant
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
Narrow-minded Striped Hyena
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
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Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Stimulating Police Squad
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Blue cruel-hearted sweet tailpipe
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
brindle razzle jewess
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Histrionic disgusting skinny woman

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: fuchsia shivering stock car native

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: sepia kitchen useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Blue cruel-hearted sweet tailpipe

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Blue cruel-hearted sweet tailpipe

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: pearl bbw parlour

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: maniacal crystalline hell

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Blue cruel-hearted sweet tailpipe

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: sapphire overrated sandwich

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Dead Violet Public Bath Scourge Upon The Earth

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: flatulent crusty house

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: flatulent crusty house

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: flatulent crusty house

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Topaz cruise ship double fault

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Confused french chef potus

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Topaz cruise ship double fault

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Confused french chef potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: sapphire overrated sandwich

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Erotic pink principal's office legal warrant

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: french digit ratio property

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: cracking infuriating address

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: mauve odious locale

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Aquamarine Razzmatazz Boistinker

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Topaz cruise ship double fault

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: cerebral coiffed senate coffee pot

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: plum vibrant blood rage

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: ruddy field

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: plum vibrant blood rage

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: ruddy field

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Narrow-minded Striped Hyena

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Confused french chef potus

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: plum vibrant blood rage

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Flirting ratface

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: maniacal crystalline hell

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Flirting ratface

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: maniacal crystalline hell

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Flirting ratface

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: maniacal crystalline hell

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Confused french chef potus

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: brindle razzle jewess

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: ruddy field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: jet 180 persian office

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: ruddy field

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Fragrant yapping abode

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: hideous deer antler really tough guy

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: abnormal national faggotry

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: ruddy field

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: Saffron Hall Party Of The First Part

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Confused french chef potus

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: plum vibrant blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Erotic pink principal's office legal warrant

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: plum vibrant blood rage

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Sinister nofapping institution lettuce

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: Erotic pink principal's office legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Striped Hyena

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal stage selfie

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Pale Startling Den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Stimulating Police Squad

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Blue cruel-hearted sweet tailpipe

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: brindle razzle jewess

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521698)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: learning disabled submissive station roast beef

abridged edgar allen poe short stories

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