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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Mind-boggling toaster
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
milky locale
  12/18/25
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Concupiscible frum ticket booth
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Diverse shivering forum
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Diverse shivering forum
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Medicated talented gas station giraffe
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
exciting jet site
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Diverse shivering forum
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
Cerise Striped Hyena
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Buff stag film headpube
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
metal motley dragon address
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
metal motley dragon address
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria
  12/18/25
180
metal motley dragon address
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
appetizing locus
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
heady temple
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
appetizing locus
  12/18/25
...
heady temple
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
Cerise Striped Hyena
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
glittery sticky antidepressant drug
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
bat-shit-crazy cowardly background story weed whacker
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Hairraiser nowag bawdyhouse
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
khaki filthpig
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
thirsty coldplay fan
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
appetizing locus
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Electric bistre business firm
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
Iridescent Vibrant Menage Mad-dog Skullcap
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
Mildly Autistic Twinkling Library
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
Iridescent Vibrant Menage Mad-dog Skullcap
  12/18/25
lol
Mildly Autistic Twinkling Library
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
magical awkward azn station
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
heady temple
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
Iridescent Vibrant Menage Mad-dog Skullcap
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Irradiated Sexy School
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
exciting jet site
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Irradiated Sexy School
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
exciting jet site
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Irradiated Sexy School
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
exciting jet site
  12/21/25
cr
heady temple
  12/18/25
Anabasis
snowy flatulent rigor
  12/18/25
...
Mildly Autistic Twinkling Library
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
vivacious reading party faggot firefighter
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
Mildly Autistic Twinkling Library
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Emerald Public Bath
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
hairless philosopher-king
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
cruel-hearted office
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
Mildly Autistic Twinkling Library
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
heady temple
  12/18/25
...
Iridescent Vibrant Menage Mad-dog Skullcap
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
glittery sticky antidepressant drug
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
Iridescent Vibrant Menage Mad-dog Skullcap
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
citrine senate
  12/18/25
...
glittery sticky antidepressant drug
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
magical awkward azn station
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
Odious sweet tailpipe toilet seat
  12/18/25
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hateful crusty cuck
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Green mad cow disease lay
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Diverse shivering forum
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
snowy flatulent rigor
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
indecent idea he suggested market
  12/19/25
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bateful black woman sanctuary
  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Mind-boggling toaster

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: milky locale

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Concupiscible frum ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Diverse shivering forum

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Diverse shivering forum

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Medicated talented gas station giraffe

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: exciting jet site

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Diverse shivering forum

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: Cerise Striped Hyena

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Buff stag film headpube

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: metal motley dragon address

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: metal motley dragon address

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: metal motley dragon address

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: appetizing locus

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: heady temple

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: appetizing locus

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: heady temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Cerise Striped Hyena

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: glittery sticky antidepressant drug

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy cowardly background story weed whacker

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Hairraiser nowag bawdyhouse

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: khaki filthpig

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: thirsty coldplay fan

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: appetizing locus

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Electric bistre business firm

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: Iridescent Vibrant Menage Mad-dog Skullcap

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Twinkling Library

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: Iridescent Vibrant Menage Mad-dog Skullcap

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Twinkling Library

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: magical awkward azn station

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: heady temple

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: Iridescent Vibrant Menage Mad-dog Skullcap

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Irradiated Sexy School

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: exciting jet site

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Irradiated Sexy School

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: exciting jet site

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Irradiated Sexy School

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: exciting jet site

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: heady temple

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: snowy flatulent rigor

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Twinkling Library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: vivacious reading party faggot firefighter

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Twinkling Library

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Emerald Public Bath

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: hairless philosopher-king

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: cruel-hearted office

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Mildly Autistic Twinkling Library

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: Know-it-all half-breed school cafeteria

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: heady temple

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: Iridescent Vibrant Menage Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: glittery sticky antidepressant drug

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: Iridescent Vibrant Menage Mad-dog Skullcap

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: citrine senate

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: glittery sticky antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: magical awkward azn station

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Odious sweet tailpipe toilet seat

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: hateful crusty cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Green mad cow disease lay

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Diverse shivering forum

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: snowy flatulent rigor

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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: indecent idea he suggested market

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Date: December 26th, 2025 12:37 AM
Author: bateful black woman sanctuary

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